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Collecting from the dead – Know your rights

With the country stressed out from this looming credit crisis it seems the collection industry has found a new object of their affection. Dead people.

Most of us still among the living are having a tough time paying our bills and collection agencies know it. They are having to work harder than ever to get a penny from a debtor.

While most of us cant even pay our necessities, we no doubt will ignore accounts that have gone into collections. The money simply isn’t there but the collectors think that we’re likely to pay a dead relatives bills because of guilt and what we feel is a moral obligation to honor the deceased’ debts.

Trouble is, on average, you are not liable for these debts and don’t have to pay them but you wont hear that from the collection agencies unless you ask. The collectors are banking on your feeling of moral obligation not to have the deceased look like a deadbeat, no pun intended.

Laws vary from state to state but generally if there is no estate to pay the debts then it’s not a relatives responsibility to do so. If a spouse has died however and you had joint debts, you may need to pay up, but getting the facts is a must before you fork over a penny.

According to the New York Times, collectors are zeroing in on the rest of us for these deceased debts and you will not be told up front that you don’t have to pay it unless you ask. Many of the agencies are even training their collectors to be the soft gentle support system on the other end of the phone but don’t be fooled. They are playing a part to get your money.

Before you pay a dime or even indulge in communication with the collection agencies make sure first that you have a legal obligation to the debt. Don’t pay it because you feel like its the right thing to do. Trust me, dead people could care less if Sears gets paid.

Simply pay attention to who the debt was for. If you didn’t cosign or are the spouse then chances are it isn’t your problem. If there is an estate then let the collector do his job by filing claims to be paid. Don’t give them any of your money.

The most important thing is to not feel guilty. The collector will work you because they know good honest people want to do the right thing. Usually the only time I would consider paying a debt that isn’t mine is if it were a family friend we owed money to or perhaps a family doctor who has really cared for your loved one. Anything else like Discover, Sears, – who cares. They’ve reamed us all enough as it is.

If the debt is secured and you want to hold onto the property, chances are you are already paying that bill if you want to keep the merchandise (car, boat, home etc).

Beware: Dirty Debt Collectors

Beware of Dirty Debt Collection Practices

Getting the Money at All Costs Causes Some Debt Collectors to Break the Law

Buffalo news reporter Fred Williams spent three months working undercover as a collector to see what some collectors are trained to do, and found that some of the tactics were dishonest or illegal.

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Debt Collectors terrifying debtors

 Scammers masquerading as debt collectors and law enforcement officials have terrified consumers with threatening phone calls and bilked them out of thousands of dollars, officials with the West Virginia Attorney General’s Office say.

Scammers masquerading as debt collectors and law enforcement officials have terrified consumers with threatening phone calls and bilked them out of thousands of dollars, officials with the West Virginia Attorney General’s Office say.

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Going undercover as a debt collector

Fred Williams, a reporter for the Buffalo News, worked for three months at a debt-collection agency to see how one operates. Here is his report,

Ethel, you did this!” Joe barks into the phone, his voice booming through the divider between our desks. Joe is trying to collect a credit-card bill, but Ethel is unaware of the card’s existence — or claims to be. “Stop making excuses!” Joe tells her.

It’s my first week on the job as a debt collector, and already I’m learning a lot. Or rather, unlearning a lot. Everything I know about consumer finance is wrong here.

In this upside-down world, unpaid bills are a boon, not a curse. The bigger, the better. If we collect, the agency gets a bounty of 10% to 50% from the creditor, and it gives us a cut. Top collectors are handed bonuses of $10,000 or more at a monthly assembly, while envious co-workers clap and cheer.

In this world, identity theft isn’t an epidemic. It’s an excuse used by weaseling debtors — like job loss, illness or even the death of a spouse. In the notes we make after each call, these excuses are summed up with the code HLS — hard-luck story.

Joe tells Ethel that he’s looking at her credit report and it doesn’t support her innocence. “This card was paid every month for two years,” he says. “Identity thieves don’t do that!” Maybe he’s right and she’s trying to skip a legitimate bill. Or maybe he’s making it up.

The collection industry gets the most complaints of any industry regulated by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission — more than 300,000 in the past five years. The trade association, ACA International, blames the griping on consumers’ increasing debt burden.

But inside the large, well-established agency where I work, that’s not the whole story. Motivated strictly by cash, collectors manipulate, shame and threaten people into paying, without caring whether the bill is legitimate.

“Get the money!” our team leader exhorts us in a brief morning huddle. Then we hit the phones, making 150 to 200 calls a day. Most are answered by machines or by people who say we’ve got a wrong number.

Debtors are cagey about picking up, so we’re taught to mask the purpose of the call as long as possible. We ask for them casually by first name, like an acquaintance. Outright deception is forbidden, but sometimes my co-workers pose as paralegals or even as “fraud investigators,” to imply that criminal charges are looming.

Once a debtor is on the line, we demand that they pay the overdue balance immediately. But the balance is like the sticker price on a car — a starting point for negotiation. On some accounts, I may offer a settlement that wipes out half the bill. This helps to placate debtors. They’re usually sputtering mad because their actual purchases are a pittance compared with the interest, late fees and over-limit fees they now owe.

If a debtor opts to settle, I am trained to take their application. In a bored voice I ask for their cell-phone number, their spouse’s work phone and so on, as if I’m filling out a form. There’s no application; we get the phone numbers to hound them if their payment falls through.

To help debtors raise money, we are trained to give them financial advice that would make their accountant blanch, if they had one. We suggest that they take money out of their IRA, drain their home equity with a second mortgage, load up a different credit card or even skip a mortgage payment.

If a debtor still won’t pay, we play a version of good cop/bad cop. Two collectors will team up on one call, with one posing as a hard-hearted manager. The other listens patiently and pretends to be sympathetic. The idea is to make the debtor want to please the sympathetic collector, who closes the deal.

Even people like Ethel, who claim to be fraud victims, can be squeezed for cash. We say it was probably their child or someone else in their household who abused the card, and if they don’t call the police, we will.

But Joe loses his battle of wills with Ethel for today when she simply hangs up. Calling her back immediately would violate rules against harassment. I go around the divider to commiserate, and to see whether Ethel’s credit report really implicated her. But Joe has already deleted it from his screen and pulled up another account, preparing to make his next call.

Our group manager has also been listening. “You blew it,” he tells Joe loudly, so the rest of the group can hear. “You should’ve got her to pay.”

Kiplinger’s Personal Finance. Author Fred Williams’s book, Inside Debt Collection, is available at lulu.com.

Debt Collection firm violated FDCPA

A collection agency called Anderson, Crenshaw Associates based in Texas has been accused of violating the Texas Fair Debt Laws. The agency allegedly sent out a bill to a consumer and when she didn’t recognize the debt and called the agency, a man on the other end refused to identity himself.

While it’s legal for debt collectors to use alias names for their business, it isn’t legal to mislead or harass a debtor, which the Texas AG claims happened in this case.

Over 71,000 complaints were filed with the Federal Trade Commission last year against debt collectors. As I told you yesterday in a related article, debt collection is up with our current economy situation, more consumers are going to fall prey to abusive tactics.

If a debt collector contacts you and you believe they have violated your rights, contact the AG or FTC and report the abuse.